{"id":97,"date":"2006-11-29T03:04:00","date_gmt":"2006-11-29T07:04:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/alanrhoda.net\/wordpress\/?p=97"},"modified":"2006-11-29T03:04:00","modified_gmt":"2006-11-29T07:04:00","slug":"reply-to-a-comment-on-tense-logic-and-the-end-of-time","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/alanrhoda.net\/wordpress\/2006\/11\/reply-to-a-comment-on-tense-logic-and-the-end-of-time\/","title":{"rendered":"Reply to a Comment on Tense Logic and the End of Time"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>A reader of this blog, Patrick, submitted a comment to my previous post, but because of some technical glitches I was experiencing with the Blogger software, I think I deleted the post his comment was attached to. Anyway, his comment is worth a response.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"font-size:85%;\">Interesting, Alan. You say, &#8220;Let us suppose that the time is now t-minus 10 and that at precisely t-minus 5 time stops for good. In that case, there never exists a time t. Hence, S neither obtains nor does not obtain at t. Hence, both &#8220;S will obtain at t&#8221; and &#8220;S will not obtain at t&#8221; are false.&#8221; Initially I&#8217;d wanted to say that in such a case &#8220;S will not obtain at t&#8221; is true, but I&#8217;m not so sure about it now. I was thinking like this: &#8220;Look, S will not obtain at t precisely because t is never going to exist! S can&#8217;t obtain at a time that doesn&#8217;t exist, so if t is never going to exist, it&#8217;s true to say that S will not obtain at that time.&#8221; If that makes sense, then I think your argument may not go through. It looks like the argument depends on whether saying &#8220;S will not obtain at t&#8221; entails that time t exists. But there might be a meaningful way of saying that S will not obtain at t because t won&#8217;t exist.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>My reply is as follows:<\/p>\n<p>Hi, Patrick. Actually, your response had occurred to me, but I don&#8217;t think it works. The problem is that the response depends on the possibility of evaluating the truth of &#8220;will&#8221; propositions differently than one evaluates &#8220;will not&#8221; propositions. Thus, &#8220;S will obtain at t&#8221; is construed to imply the future existence of t , whereas &#8220;S will not obtain at t&#8221; is construed in a way that does not imply the future existence of t. The move is a natural for those who equate &#8220;will not&#8221; and not-&#8220;will&#8221;. But since the legitimacy of that supposed equivalence is the very point at issue, to invoke it at this point would be question-begging. Moreover, consider the following:<\/p>\n<p>Let t = tomorrow<br \/>Let p = Fred mows his lawn<br \/>Let q = Fred does not mow his lawn<br \/>Let WILL(p,t) be the proposition &#8220;Fred will mow his lawn tomorrow&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>According to the proposed response to my argument, WILL(p,t) implies the future existence of t, but WILL(not-p,t) does not. But what about WILL(q,t)? Since this has the same form as WILL(p,t) we expect it to commit us to the future existence of t as well. If that is right, then <span style=\"font-style: italic;\">both <\/span>&#8220;Fred will mow his lawn tomorrow&#8221; and &#8220;Fred will not mow his lawn tomorrow&#8221; imply that there <span style=\"font-style: italic;\">be <\/span>a tomorrow. And if that&#8217;s right, then the contrast between &#8220;will&#8221; and &#8220;will not&#8221; cannot consist in the fact that one implies the existence of a future time whereas the other does not.<\/p>\n<p>To avoid this conclusion, one would have to say that WILL(p,t) is a fundamentally different <span style=\"font-style: italic;\">type<\/span> of proposition than WILL(q,t), in which case we cannot continue to construe WILL(,) as a univocal propositional operator. Instead, we&#8217;ll need two future-tense operators. One that includes an existential comittment to future times, and another that does not. I don&#8217;t find this move very plausible. Is it really necessary to multiply senses of &#8220;will&#8221; in this way? A better approach, I think, is to accept that WILL(p,t) and WILL(q,t) are of the same propositional type and to deny that WILL(not-p,t) and not-WILL(p,t) are of the same propositional type. But that, of course, plays right into my hands. I&#8217;m perfectly willing to grant that not-WILL(p,t) does not imply the future existence of t. Since the scope of the &#8220;not&#8221; applies to the whole WILL(p,t) proposition, it cancels whatever existential import the latter may have. But with WILL(not-p,t) the &#8220;not&#8221; occurs <span style=\"font-style: italic;\">within<\/span> the scope of the tense operator, and so it cannot cancel an existential commitment carried by the operator itself.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>A reader of this blog, Patrick, submitted a comment to my previous post, but because of some technical glitches I was experiencing with the Blogger software, I think I deleted the post his comment was attached to. Anyway, his comment is worth a response. Interesting, Alan. You say, &#8220;Let us suppose that the time is\u2026 <span class=\"read-more\"><a href=\"http:\/\/alanrhoda.net\/wordpress\/2006\/11\/reply-to-a-comment-on-tense-logic-and-the-end-of-time\/\">Read More &raquo;<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-97","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/alanrhoda.net\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/97","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/alanrhoda.net\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/alanrhoda.net\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/alanrhoda.net\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/alanrhoda.net\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=97"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"http:\/\/alanrhoda.net\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/97\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/alanrhoda.net\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=97"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/alanrhoda.net\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=97"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/alanrhoda.net\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=97"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}